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tutsan wrote:

. On Ci4 XTA, too, II

Then this the same.

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G R E Y wrote:

Не про ЕвроБио, отличная там пара.


В мире все отлично, одно отлично от другого. Даже спорить не собираюсь....

По керамике-то, задал же простой вопрос, что за зверь там такой? Если знаешь скажи. Реально интересно.

И не политетрафторэтиле́н (PTFE) ли это случайно?

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Oleg_GOR wrote:

. On Arzberg something, asked same simple question, that for they there such? If know tell. Realistically interestingly.

On the docks nothing not found, only rules lube such couples. Some what conclusions can be do from internal prices such couples - in been differ from steam coils below class.
On own observations - the same, that was on Stellakh and Tvinakh starters century. It seems, tier cover thinner, but this and all differences. Churchgoers such wheel longer an open, undergoes a bigger mistreatment. Set up Bio2500FB, which season actively a with a strong business - on surface nor a trace. Two Susteyna 4000FE recently set up after two seasons on feeder (photo were here) - coverage without a trace, the easy asserted on as, like, this. Such impression, that guided by an experienced polar such wheel eats more slowly. In short,, I reiterate - many run couple, as on current times. On new Tvinakh and Vanyakh again open wheels, but fusion the other, it seems. These wheels still a bit more expensive. And, presumably, portend soon and the disappearance of "black" wheels from new rails.

Last edited by G R E Y (Feb 11 2014 00:25:27)

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Boev wrote:

. If in Ukraine up in 15 minutes reel dura-Ace Eksens VV in size 4,000.

Alas, officially not up in 15 minutes.

Last edited by G R E Y (Feb 11 2014 00:24:40)

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G R E Y.pity, that not up in 15 minutes. Upset.% -) Probably d borrow Tekhniumy 4,000 FD. On laytakh burden small. Am confident, 'd last long, even in conditions intense exploitation. On for competitions.

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Boev wrote:

Probably d borrow Tekhniumy 4,000 FD. On laytakh burden small. Am confident, 'd last long, even in conditions intense exploitation. On for competitions.

Here is, your TekhniumFA (who today acquire families Misc. Shpuley :jumping:) and other coils moreover generation. Only slightly they worse, than the legendary 02TvinPG. And legends not have become. Why? Because, that right not was bearing, that strongly sokraschalo resource.
With TekhniumomFD a similar history. There is no bearing on gear is leading right. Put his - and order work robustly. Move, too, will be easier.
At all, there + 5 ball bearings desirable.

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G R E Y wrote:

That, your TekhniumFA (who today acquire families Misc. Shpuley) and other coils moreover generation. Only slightly they worse, than the legendary 02TvinPG. And legends not have become. Why? Because, that right not was bearing, that strongly sokraschalo resource.
With TekhniumomFD a similar history. There is no bearing on gear is leading right. Put his - and term work robustly. Move, too, will be easier.
At all, there + 5 ball bearings desirable.


In what seats would add bearings?

With Z. Denis

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Денис28 wrote:

. In what seats would add bearings

Necessarily - right on currencies leading. Very desirable - in the commercial and in Knob pens. On desire, on beskonechnik and in the carriage - this already for dining :) The total + 6shp.
In this same abroad sit all spinningovye coils series of of C4 +, but material corps it rough. Truth, the difference in price + 1000grn.

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G R E Y wrote:

Necessarily - right on currencies leading. Very desirable - in the commercial and in Knob pens. On desire, on beskonechnik and in the carriage - this already for dining The total + 6shp.
In this same abroad sit all spinningovye reel series of of C4 +, but material corps it rough. Truth, the difference in price + 1000grn.


Thank you for advice, and if take Ultegra (have) XSC or substitute for XTC, these reel as the’can be (adding ball bearings)? Or they perfect?)

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Денис28 wrote:

. And if take Ultegra (have) XSC or substitute for XTC, these reel as the’can be (adding bearings)?

Necessarily - right on currencies leading armored glass). But better take XTB.

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G R E Y wrote:

По докам ничего не нашел, только правила смазки такой пары. Кое-какие выводы можно сделать из внутрикорпоративных цен на такие пары - в разы отличаются от пар катушек ниже классом.
По собственным наблюдениям - то же самое, что было на Стеллах и Твинах начала века. Похоже, слой покрытия тоньше, но это и все отличия. Ходит такое колесо дольше открытого, терпит бОльшие издевательства.


По старым Стеллам в двух источниках встречал, что покрытие у них было политетрафторэтиле́н (PTFE), иначе по буржуйски Тефлон, по нашенски Фторопласт. Если подумать, для бюджета (и не спорь, я про ведущее колесо, а не цену катухи в целом) нормальное решение. У дюралевого литья три проблемы. Мала прочность, плохое трение скольжения и боится влаги. Тефлон, по идее, две с половиной проблемы должен снимать. Поэтому и "ходят" лучше наверное...

Спасибо... для себя уяснил...

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Oleg_GOR wrote:

...По старым Стеллам в двух источниках встречал, что покрытие у них было политетрафторэтиле́н (PTFE)...

Допустим. Спасибо.

Oleg_GOR wrote:

...для бюджета (и не спорь, я про ведущее колесо, а не цену катухи в целом) нормальное решение...

Шоб я, да не спорил ... :rain:  :no:  Как можно называть "бюджетным" колесо, которое на несколько процентов дешевле самого дорогого решения, применяемого производителем? Допустим, колеса Техниума или Ультегры - да, это бюджет. "Черные" колеса во много раз дороже - где ж тут "бюджет"?? %-)

Oleg_GOR wrote:

... У дюралевого литья три проблемы...

Тут тоже хотел бы добавить. "Черное" колесо имеет другую основу, более твердую. Это именно другое изделие - материал и технология изготовления. А не простое непокрытое колесо с нанесенным покрытием.

Oleg_GOR wrote:

... Поэтому и "ходят" лучше наверное...

Хорошая гипотеза, мне нравится :) Обязательно проверю, как будет возможность (а она будет).

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G R E Y wrote:

Slippery to I, yes not argued. As can be to call "budget" wheel, which on several percent cheaper the most of expensive decisions, prescribed producer? Suppose, wheels Tekhniuma or Ultegry - yes, this budget. "Black" wheels in many times more expensive - where OK here "budget"??


Ah. Let not you want to bet, and consider. Can you explain it muddled, but I until believe their eyes.

1. If wheels type ultegry blanket would not teflonom, and platinum, it was would still more expensive. But here is stronger not became would.

G R E Y wrote:

"Black" wheel has another the groundwork, more hard. This precisely another product - material and technology assemble. And not a simple nepokrytoe wheel with thwart the cover.


Here is photo as conveyed you coupled Susteyna. Centimeters. Photo. This the same budget casting under pressure. Litniki are visible expressly if there is no cover. And can be, that fusion there better (but not fact), but he remained the same, simply LITEVOY.

http://s8.uploads.ru/t/5KmqJ.jpg

Here is options about which write, that enforced deters already the best fusion, so and refused from cover. And this already well obvious statement producer. On good material why it? Perhaps this already and word processing pressure (heard such, but not know accurately).

http://s9.uploads.ru/t/WcTq9.jpg
http://s8.uploads.ru/t/WurPp.jpg

And here is wheel already quite with nebyudzhetnoy constructs and commercialization.

http://s8.uploads.ru/t/39Zmf.jpg
http://s9.uploads.ru/t/BEb3T.jpg

This see my eyes. And difference I see.

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To Ultegre KhTB. This is one the most powerful steam Simano, in including and in size. Wheel 40mm.
http://i.piccy.info/i9/770d646b61e8e61a7df77da9bceb96ae/1392123685/61424/631429/GP_shp.jpghttp://i.piccy.info/a3/2014-02-11-13-01/i9-5904779/800x402-r/i.gif

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The size of the in comparison
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Importantly climate - itself construction mechanism reel. Now this utterly the other mechanism, if to compare with by previous versions Ultegry. But here there is nothing new, such a mechanism Simano uses long, and he is famously themselves unproven - so creates and "real" full-sized serfovye coils.
Perhaps, need congratulate fidermenov - and facebook :)
Dozen extremity of piston rod 5,5mm.
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G R E YYou can whether give you coil, for deliver its until mind? Tekhnium 4,000 FD, enjoyed one season))

Last edited by blekmor1 (Feb 11 2014 17:41:49)

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blekmor1 wrote:

G R E Y You can whether give you coil, for deliver its until mind? Tekhnium 4,000 FD, enjoyed one season)

Of course, for what same still we are working)

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G R E Y wrote:

blekmor1 wrote (and):

G R E Y You can whether give you coil, for deliver its until mind? Tekhnium 4,000 FD, enjoyed one season)

Of course, for what same still we are working)

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G R E Y wrote:

Don’t my photo. And have colleagues mistake - this wheel Japanese version of Biomastera, not European (delete, please, this photo, to not replicate mistakes). It indeed budget.


This photography with the reel, which zaznacheno in on photography. I.e. Susteyna trade mark for luxiory. And worded site is specified. Why remove? You same clear wrote, that on European it with the cover. I not doubt even.

G R E Y wrote:

A what lacks on your compilation? Moreover the most "black" wheels, about which we are talking. Here is, take his photo and compare with the second from the graphs you photographs. And see, that way to assemble the same. And no besides not will find. Not such there fat, tier cover, to their hide)


We wasn on money we? I same their alive not saw. So and ask. Want deal, not prove someone something. Partzuf correctly.

Ah polazil still, looked, found. Everywhere casting, and litniki are visible.

This litniki on Tvine:

http://s8.uploads.ru/t/8gjW6.jpg

And this the reverse side prividennogo higher Vankvisha. Markedly, that has remained unprocessed products the surface from litevoy forms. And litniki simply obey stocheny it seems.

http://s9.uploads.ru/t/jlAm4.jpg

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blekmor1, are looking BOS.

blekmor1 wrote:

. Search engine only renovating bicycle paranoiac)

Decide what's this question, pardon for inconvenience. Soon will issuing the, that need.

Last edited by G R E Y (Feb 11 2014 18:12:02)

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G R E Y wrote:

So far, your source of - simply warehouse mistakes. This clearly not Tvinovaya couple. Even'm fixin say, that this.

Seryoga, good honor on the costume to protect. Resource, which Oleg led the most authoritative Italian site on the. And you in rut're throwing. Not talk. Mulinet.

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G R E Y wrote:

Illy, can, two times all-??? ????? even adjusted for "not understood-made her repeat it"? :mad: :playful: :D
Text or If it comes not was am confident - so would and said.

Not build from themselves truth in of last resort. :x There derzhitsya coils in collects and parsing.

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Vadkh wrote:

Seryoga, good honor on the costume to protect. Resource, which Oleg led the most authoritative Italian site on the. And you in rut're throwing. Not talk. Mulinet.


Ah, first not Italian, and the Romanian.

And second, where on this photo written Biomaster FB?

http://s8.uploads.ru/t/5KmqJ.jpg

On this photo:

http://s8.uploads.ru/t/8gjW6.jpg

Shesterenki 03 th magnesium Tvina.

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))))))
Importantly that authoritative, and rumynski or Italian, here already whom more likes.

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towel
Agree, let the Romanian. I would still pictures of the only'm. Ah and that Sustein wasn not from line of Biomasterov, with from the upper being shelved? Ah so not pridirayas to pugovitsam.

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And poke please its nose 8-), in message, month or and a half ago were selling Ultegru 5500 KhTS, and the something not can find. Thank you.

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Vadkh wrote:

Nu and that Sustein wasn not from line of Biomasterov, with from the upper being shelved?


???? here this? G R E Y rallied "meat dumplings" Russian ravioli then "sell yet on this site because, that they under" leyboy "Biomaster FB posted photo Japanese Bio. Ah and me became interestingly, where on this photo mentioning about Biomaster FB? On photo yra FB. And with what he being shelved let G R E Y will reveal.

Vadkh wrote:

Nu so not pridirayas to pugovitsam.


Not not not. That you. I at all nor to what not criticizing. A ginge'm screwed in this debate, not more.

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Vadkh wrote:

. Not build from themselves truth in of last resort. :x

F-fuck.. There indeed not Bio, and ADSR envelope begins) Yes, there is at least modicum one attentive man

полотенчик wrote:

. Where on this photo written Biomaster FB.

And the I in nature .lyublyu started climbing "ravioli then" place - map documentation :rofl:
Crap, my mistake :tired: We here about wheels the newest katukh, and Oleg a dinosaur rolled out. And I one eye in the viewfinder on giblets Ultegry, the second in monitor on forum.
towel, thank you.

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Then anew.

Oleg_GOR wrote:

. Here is photo as conveyed you coupled Susteyna.

http://s8.uploads.ru/t/5KmqJ.jpg.

Here is, under than here "as conveyed me"? I and decided to, that you about Susteyne FY, about which I wrote. 'm on photo, see FB, and before eyes Bio.
This antediluvian ADSR envelope begins still was with simple pressed wheel, albeit on vvinchivayuscheysya handle. Have Simano technology "climb down" down on hierarchy from generation in generation. For time, the past with exit Susteyna trade mark for luxiory, his wheel "came down" in 12Ultegru. Suggesting in mind technology.
And in Susteyny EF and FY "came down" wheel regarded starters century. In Stellakh same applies new, here is this most

Oleg_GOR wrote:

http://s8.uploads.ru/t/WurPp.jpg

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