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G R E Y wrote:

To industrialized fishing heavy trend to fully shackling shpulyu before zabrosom utterly necessary. And after zabrosa well would weaken Friction clutch until worker range. In this ties reel with index XTB, akess system "Baitrunner spool II", look preferable to. Wasn there is no?

Indisputably. Although, with porn better. :D
Reel with Baitrunner spool II in this case also good as and zadnefriktsionnye with traditional supervisor the brake. :cool:

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And rapid Friction clutch than bad?
Turnover made - works tackle
Turnover made - sitting] However
And in a coil there is no not any additional mechanisms. Baitrunner spool II of course with him easier, but here as on me, chooses every that wants, big role it not plays.

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In my opinion. Rapid Friction clutch thinly align very difficult.

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G R E Y wrote (and):

For industrialized fishing heavy trend to fully shackling shpulyu before zabrosom utterly necessary. And after zabrosa well would weaken Friction clutch until worker range.


Where such Chaco statement? Utterly not necessary. Enough establish Friction clutch on razryvnuyu strain defence wakes up aggressivity and even with > zabrose shpulya not starts keep on turning. Need to technique throw execute orders, not cut to disco Friction clutch wont need.

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28 wrote:

turnover made - works tackle
Turnover made - sitting] However.

Here roughly-third turnover, if not quarter-.

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Vadkh wrote:

will such Chaco statement? Utterly not necessary. Enough establish Friction clutch on razryvnuyu strain defence wakes up aggressivity and even with > zabrose shpulya not starts keep on turning. Need to technique throw execute orders, not cut to disco Friction clutch wont need.

From chopped-up fingers on power zabrosakh even my "laytovykh", on fidernym measure, scale. From demands, help to the compete karpovoy team "Simano." From of elementary logic, in late all.
Text or Wu our karpyatnikov zabrosy on 140-150m. Not limit, here is them tell about practicing technology zabrosov :D

Last edited by G R E Y (Feb 15 2014 18:15:51)

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G R E Y wrote:

From chopped-up fingers on power zabrosakh even my "laytovykh", on fidernym measure, scale. From demands, help to the compete karpovoy team "Simano." From of elementary logic, in late all.
Text or Wu our karpyatnikov zabrosy on 140-150m. Not limit, here is them tell about practicing technology zabrosov :D

Ah in first - if hands from C. are rising the and laytikom can be fingers can decide.
Second - have us here fidernyy forum and and karpovye throws with run off the hill here quite not what.
Third - have karpyatnikov dog leashes but also much stronger than the main the fishing line is. Specificity karpovoy industrialized fishing.
In quarters - forefront baytranner intended utterly for other goals and protection finger not his funtsiya.
In-fifths - karpyatnikam under dalnykh zabrosakh recommend defensive odnopalye gloves off.
In sixth - photo my index finger right-wing hands, find the signature there scars. http://s9.uploads.ru/8buvl.jpg

And most importantly, that most of these cuts goes from uncontrolled of weakening clutch under vyvazhivanii, when under zabrose Friction clutch virtually otkruchen after vyvazhivaniya.

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Oleg, I as understood, you flatly against coils with high peredatkoy? I understand, on Volkswagen Jetta TDI-heavy, but on woof on prop 15 same hardly weight?

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On woof on prop 15 well can be use high-speed coils, those same Stradiki, to example. Especially likes a new of C4 +. Weight and expanding usually small, so such reel well come, but personally I increasingly would still d use more powerful reel.

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Vadkh wrote:

Nu in first - if hands from C. are rising the and laytikom can be fingers can decide.
Second - have us here fidernyy forum and and karpovye throws with run off the hill here quite not what.
Third - have karpyatnikov dog leashes but also much stronger than the main raskosami. Specificity karpovoy industrialized fishing.
In quarters - forefront baytranner intended utterly for other goals and protection finger not his funtsiya.
In-fifths - karpyatnikam under dalnykh zabrosakh recommend defensive odnopalye gloves off.
In sixth - photo my index finger right-wing hands, find the signature there scars.

Some dispute nor about than.
I not see crucial differences in game for different species industrialized fishing, appointment one thing. There is nuances, but and in them much in common and have fideristov, and have spinningistov, and have karpyatnikov. If there is something useful - need adopt each have friend.
That until baytranera - there all his functions after the and correctly work in this system. And for protection finger me personally lack assembling dressing plasters on beam.

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One of the most popular theme :cool:
Will repeat. As works Instant drag? In than his unlike simply clutch. With front baytranerom has understood, and this not gather additionally in any way. Not replacing whether this baytranera? :D
Shiller wrong. In general as he works compared with baytranerom?

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G R E Y wrote:

If there is something useful - need adopt each have friend.

Agree - need.
But this not the case. Have karpyatnikov one impose in hour is considered rapid pace. And have fiderista in tempovoy a fishing trip 70-80 zabrosov in hour. Under constant krutbe clutch fiderist forward can get hurt or is stronger Friction clutch under vyvazhivanii.
Nuances solve all. So that not need to under one-size all or.

Last edited by Vadkh (Feb 15 2014 19:06:03)

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Boev wrote:

To the medium Shimano Rarehium CI4 5000FA. This real pyatitysyachnik with a powerful power mechanism.


Ah finally, modicum Boeva the one pointing on the path the true! :crazyfun: A the all with Vadim were pow, that better for the medium, overpriced eye ADSR envelope begins or marine Blast's. :dontknow: That S. Rarenium and D. Bradiya most the. :cool: Skyfall might and on khevike not gonna blink. Truth one already almost there is no, second say (Grey) soon already not will. Who not has acquired, hurry up. :mybb:

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Vadkh wrote:

. Under constant krutbe clutch fiderist forward can get hurt or is stronger Friction clutch under vyvazhivanii.

Point, increasingly, not need to cut to disco constantly. Fielded right for vyvazhivaniya effort domestic wheel regulation - and forgot. Before zabrosom-third turnover screws common "ukhvatom" (until emphasis) - shpulya a hard-on dead. -third in dark side - returned to claims of willpower. Under than, this initial effort can be minimal, the fishing line is will freely go run out with shpuli, as on "classic" baytrannerakh.

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Oleg_GOR wrote:

. Here is S. Rarenium and D. Bradiya most the. :cool: Skyfall might and on khevike not gonna blink. Truth one already almost there is no, second say (Grey) soon already not will. Who not has acquired, hurry up. :mybb:

About Bradii nothing not spoke. And "Rarenium of C4 5,000" to predzakazu already not available dealers. Therefore, cesspits with problem-wa.

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G R E Y
anything like this happen goes rather characterizes you, than this author, without doubts in eminently competent and an esteemed practitioner.

Choose expression.
This your opinion, I have, too, there is opinion. Specialist this, too narcissistic, so speak out in side talented engineers Dayva and dura-Ace. And knowledge have him deep, agree.

Match wrote (and):

. When in of England have come up with coil and your cast, the Japanese still on horsebacks with swords pranced around.

G R E Y
When the Japanese in written-rate swings mirrored terrabayty information about its history and thought world, the British still with trees not stop occupying

Match
Sabaneev, (Tsars, Russia) in his book referred on a British classification likely and camping on D.. The Chinese have come up with gunpowder 1,000 years ago, Egyptians doctoral, and what attitude has this to fishing it catching.

G R E Y
That same concerns fishing arm and help to him demands, then here the Japanese far ahead planet the entire. The quality of snovnoy masses biggest selling in Europe coils - the good the illustration. And wasn only coils.

Match
Agree. The Japanese good fellows.

Match
. This not with spinigom walk on side and fish, you pricks voblerami

G R E Y
Precisely had forced witnessed in impose is the most intellectually by the capacious way fishing, dvigayuschem development cordages for all rest ways. Absolutely increasingly first emerges in spinningovoy it catching, and only then technology are switching in other some tackle.
Deal here, apparently, in that, in spinningovoy it catching people engage in precisely catching and only Ideology. People absorbing precisely fishing, not than any still. Not until traditions)

Match
Here everyone its. We modicum fish such, and you?
Especially for industrialized fishing trolingom need a mind Chamber.
There stood emoticons (barbecue)
The first sort of carbon-fibre place it appeared in firm Hardy nakhlyst, masts and feeder, and then contracted technology the rest.
Ah yes, ah yes, and in feeder and karpfishinge we so we're messing. Witness number of participants on Forum, not little balovnikov however. Can you forum made a mistake))

Match wrote (and):

. Ordered itself 3, truth ultegru CI4 + 14,000 XSB

G R E Y
Perhaps, here you not quite are right. For industrialized fishing heavy trend to fully shackling shpulyu before zabrosom utterly necessary. And after zabrosa well would weaken Friction clutch until worker range. In this ties reel with index XTB, akess system "Baitrunner spool II", look preferable to. Wasn there is no?

Match
According to athletes karpyatnikov "Baitrunner spool II" weak link, were cases of a breakdown. Instant drag precisely the that need to, enough rapid Friction clutch, secure, talks best. In sports gets caught outspoken stakes, which pixels on sverkhdalniy impose and rapid vyvazhivanie. Their advice - only XSB reliably verified. I not torchbearer of course, but burden I have not less, and enleve more often.

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wrote:

When in of England have come up with coil and your cast, the Japanese still on horsebacks with swords pranced around


G R E Y wrote:

When the Japanese in written-rate swings mirrored terrabayty information about its history and thought world, the British still with trees not stop occupying


And what debate, coil for with President in China same invented.

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G R E Y wrote:

point, increasingly, not need to cut to disco constantly. Fielded right for vyvazhivaniya effort domestic wheel regulation - and forgot. Before zabrosom-third turnover screws common "ukhvatom" (until emphasis) - shpulya a hard-on dead. -third in dark side - returned to claims of willpower. Under than, this initial effort can be minimal, the fishing line is will freely go run out with shpuli, as on "classic" baytrannerakh.

Seryoga, you himself try - Moving it around and pace, and then of food. Without scores.
Always in passion of can be forget that the do.

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. . - wrote:

Again. As works flayting drag? In than his unlike simply clutch.


Nikolai, wrote same higher. Paul turnover from a dead zazhatiya're saving basic, still poloborota're saving ceasing. Faster, than on tonkonastraivaemom friktsione all happening.

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Vadkh wrote:

Seryoga, you himself try - Moving it around and pace, and then of food. Without scores.
Always in passion of can be forget that the do.


+ + + + + many. And even not in pace. After the search for good bonus pro Friction clutch accurately not recollect. I have a light and the the problem, hands are shaking. And you recall pro Sergei Reznitsenko (daffy333) - buy it Dachmaster andt forget see pro Friction clutch. :rofl:

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Vadkh wrote:

G R E Y wrote (and):

If there is something useful - need adopt each have friend.

Agree - need.
But this not the case. Have karpyatnikov one impose in hour is considered rapid pace. And have fiderista in tempovoy fishing 70-80 zabrosov in hour. Under constant krutbe clutch fiderist forward can get hurt or is stronger Friction clutch under vyvazhivanii.
Nuances solve all. So that not need to under one-size all or.

Edited Vadkh (Today 18 :06: 03)

Rockin '-80 zabrosov in hour-with vymatyvaniem with 40 meters, with reaching imaginations, dressing nozzles, zabivkoy trough, zabrosom, and still and with vyvazhivaniem-d to train)

Last edited by blekmor1 (Feb 15 2014 19:47:09)

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. . - wrote:

Oleg, thank you. I revised. Precisely with perspective as industrialized fishing, what mechanism preferable to baytraner KhTV or Instant drag XSB?


The answer on this question above, this and are discussing. Read all recent posts.

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. . - wrote:

Precisely with perspective as industrialized fishing, what mechanism preferable to baytraner KhTV or Instant drag XSB?

My I.M.H.O.,, on lyubitelya. Many (and Fight in camping on CHAMPION) on carp prefer baytraner, and they are right. Yura-Match writes, that this weak link, and here share of truth there is. Vadim says, that sooner or later to reconstruct realize how lucky, and he rights 100%. If harvest belle and with good line, the he at all not need (Daffy333 forever). Rapid "for eyes." But, there golavl again same can "have flown. Here is how many man, so much and of views. Have decide to himself.

For me the price was criterion. XSC4500 with ready not much lose of C4 +, but the price tripled cheaper after trading with seller.

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Vadkh wrote:

Seryoga, you himself try - Moving it around and pace, and then of food. Without grievances

Around the deal habits-as we are accustomed to convenient flazhku napr.-lesku "rolled out", flag weakened-zoom / there's gravy sekhala-rang, flag I got it clamped and in battle! On khevik put perednefrik. Aernos-6600m even a little bit of a better idea, but need to him get used-most the best "on peephole" nedomatyvaem as such and line raise the its for flooding the trough, under certain skills, too, enough conveniently!
So same and with karpovymi coils-of course for most will conveniently regulate the freak, which from fully otpuschenogo until fully restrained is regulated five a, not dim and blurred a shitload of lawyers of (often full "and a half") the one w ?after ee?a my aoiea! :D :flag:

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Deal in is, that I has established itself in desire take CI4 KhTV 5,500, but and from XSB not otkreschivalsya. The difference in them 300 Br This not cheap things and for me. Instant drag looks as simple Friction clutch. Nevertheless, on shpule dealt the switch in different hand.
As is installing on it level of tension and of weakening? There is no there screws as have baytranera.
Or there simply pane has been removed spring, that we and want to do on other?
If would I have was opportunity spin before-buying, I would not asked.

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Nikolai B. From Propulsion The-Ola

Here is how many times spoke, that dura-Ace so all naputaet, that and istym lovers of not in joy will. :rofl:

In short, launching Dayvu Basyayr and will you happiness.

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. . - wrote:

Delo in is, that I has established itself in desire take CI4 KhTV 5,500, but and from XSB not otkreschivalsya. The difference in them 300 Br This not cheap things and for me. Instant drag looks as simple Friction clutch. Nevertheless, on shpule dealt the switch in different hand.
As is installing on it level of tension and of weakening? There is no there screws as have baytranera.
Or there simply pane has been removed spring, that we and want to do on other?
If would I have was opportunity spin before-buying, I would not asked.

Edited Nikolai B. From Propulsion The-Ola (Today 20 :29: 54)


1. The usual Friction clutch wherever 3-4 turnover from later mired until free shpuli
2. Instant drag wherever 1.5, all simply and understandable.
3.XTB beytraner can be choose on your desire 1 or 2 option. Intent is not poorly, but too is difficult, reliability precisely in size 8,000-14,000 big question. Other YouTube as its are currently running people there here not giving, not understanding as same all ??? better. On me this marketing stratagem for places baytranera which want have coil high class. Thank god on topovuyu aerotekhn 10,000 MGS (disambiguation) its not place. In my opinion

Last edited by (Feb 15 2014 21:26:20)

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.XTB can be choose on your desire 1 or 2 option.


Yura, XTB two options, but only not those. 1-Interwiev it is an old model, oppressive, without X-stud and heap bearings, or a new of C4 + in two prices and "all on oio." Ah type all repatriate on place, as on normal Dayvakh. :crazyfun:

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Oleg_GOR wrote:

Yura, XTB two options, but only not those. 1-Interwiev it is an old model, oppressive, without X-stud and heap ball bearings, or a new of C4 + in two prices and "all on oio." Ah type all repatriate on place, as on normal Dayvakh.


I understand. I wanted to explain in than the difference friktsionov.
Example below, far not poor famous people prefer 1 th the old a long the freak.

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wrote:

I wanted to explain in than the difference friktsionov.


Then this the difference KhT #, XS # and long freaks. As something so.

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